*That* video! (again)

I'm against posting private messages - unless they are abusive, and you want to expose the abuser. But Mark/abba has begun posting our PM exchange on his new TBF blog.

He said earlier on my G+ he plans to start with a chat we had following a video upload to what was then our joint FlexingLads channel. That contradicts his earlier plan - to post the chats chronologically - but that's Mark for you :/

So I decided to post that conversation here. It shows, contrary to his claim that I "took a very long time persuading him" (see my G+),  it took just ten minutes for Mark to say "ok, leave it and see what happens"! (see chat from 0:27 - 0:37)

It's also clear that Mark had no objections to the video. In fact the calls it "hot", but was afraid it would cause two of his contacts to think he was "steering them towards porn"!

It's important to remember, too, that Mark had the password to FL channel, and could have deleted the video himself if he'd chosen to.

Here's the chat, see for yourself. I've redacted other people's names, even though they were only first names. I hope Mark does the same in his version.

December 7 2011

23:55:46 Mark: I believe you have a vid to upload mister. lol

23:57:59 Kit: great

23:58:44 Kit: it's not the best hour, but will do it now i think, cos in usa its only 6ish pm

23:58:58 Mark: leanteen! then when you get chance tell me how to upload

23:59:27 Kit: ok

23:59:52 Kit: are you logged in to youtube?

December 8 2011

0:00:57 Mark: yea,i think i can upload it's putting the guys links in etc i'm unsure of. we have to see how long clip is in case needs editing too

0:01:12 Kit: yes

0:01:23 Kit: just got sub from a fit guy

0:01:33 Mark: oooh, will look

0:03:28 Mark: mmmm very nice

0:07:24 Kit: have you downloded leanteen's?

0:07:54 Kit: its incredible

0:08:47 Kit: its guaranteed to get loads of hits, & subs, some risk of deletion, but even if it is, it won't close the channel & i think we have to go for it

0:12:20 Mark: ok,no not seen. long as it don't put our other models off or to sham[e]. lol

0:12:55 Kit: its one feature that is eye catching ;)

0:13:41 Mark: it's gone off megaupload now. have to wait like everyone else

0:14:43 Kit: god that was quick, it's worth it, sorry to tease, just about to upload, getting the links ready as it's best to paste them into the upload box otherwise it can finish uploading before details are in

0:14:59 Mark: ok no worries

0:22:03 Kit: just a few mins

0:22:28 Kit: one thing to think about is the tags we can put on videos

0:22:58 Kit: upload complete, processing

0:23:27 Mark: k, i have thanked him in comments eventhough not seen it. will let you mail him as he was your find. lol

0:23:40 Kit: lol

0:27:11 Mark: ok, that is hot BUT i think should edit the red shorts bit out. i reckon that will deffo put J** and A** off. When he is in his undies we can get away with him just being big but in those shorts it's an obvious hard on. soz to be a killjoy

0:27:55 Mark: on the site yeah but not on here

0:28:28 Kit: its more obvious in his briefs. he touches himself

0:29:20 Mark: yeah but it's pointing down. i think it will get banned myself and even worse put some of our lads off

0:31:38 Kit: i dont think it will be banned, but even if it were, if it got subs first, it would be overall a plus. why will it put people off?

0:32:43 Mark: If J** was about to send us a vid and he saw that or A** with his boxers vid i think they'd change mind straight away

0:33:40 Kit: if that is so, how are they going to react when we have things like that on the site?

0:34:14 Mark: i thought that stuff was going to be seperate downloads

0:34:48 Kit: nude yes

0:36:21 Kit: the problem with toning things to not upset anyone, is that your end up with blandness. surely they cannot be so prudish? and what about taking risks?

0:37:37 Mark: ok, leave it and see what happens, i think hard ons on YT is a no no myself. If i'm wrong i'll hold hands up but if we just want S**** and the like on board why we messaging these other young lads?

0:38:56 Mark: i personally find that vid a massive turn on but i reckon we will lose J** and A** over it

0:39:17 Kit: we want them all, i don't mean [to] exclude them, but if we tone things [down] out of fear of losing them, we can end up appealing to no one. i've seen vids on yt with guys massaging their hard ons in wet briefs.

0:39:50 Kit: (not that im suggesting we have that!)

0:43:21 Mark: i'm really confused now. can't we compromise and edit the shorts bit out? we will still be risking it with the undies but could get away with him just having a very big cock when soft. i personally don't want to put any potential models off. the editing could be explained by saying we just want 1 min clips

0:44:13 Kit: problem is he speaks at the start, introducing himself

0:45:02 Mark: ok, well it's done now. i just hope i'm wrong about J** and A**

0:45:38 Kit: also, he's obviously gone all out to promo his channel, which after all is what we are offering these guys.

0:46:11 Kit: in return we get a free video, without which our channel is just us :)

0:46:48 Mark: yeah i agree but where do we draw line. he could introduce himself and say "watch me jack off on my site" would we use it then?

0:47:05 Kit: no

0:47:24 Mark: so, how is a massive hard on ok?

0:48:08 Kit: hard ons are spontaneous, wanking is deliberate

0:49:42 Mark: ok, well that one is not spontaneous for sure. i love the vid, i just don't want to lose lads who may start off [a] bit more timid but grow in confidence

0:52:57 Kit: so long as we are not pressuring them i think they will be ok.

0:53:05 Mark: have no doubt whatsoever it will beat the other vids hands down in views but ppl will then expect the site to be the same and be dissapointed by our guys who just flex

0:53:21 Kit: we should stress that each guy has his style, and we want them to be different

0:53:33 Mark: ok

0:54:32 Kit: and on the site the members who want more can get it, but as a separate thing as we said. even on mbsl there are normal flexers and ones who get frisky

0:56:27 Mark: on the site yeah, no prob with that whatsoever but am not comfortable with this vid and rather say upfront... however, leave it on and i will have no problem admitting i was wrong if we still get J** on board and don't put A** off

0:57:22 Mark: i think they will think "fuck, i'm not doing that"

0:58:07 Kit: but no one is asking them to

1:00:37 Mark: i know that but we are trying to convey what [our] site is about and they will now think it's about us getting lads to strip and get hard and put off some very hot flexers who could be very hot without it

1:01:52 Mark: it'll prob get tons of views overnight so it's all potential members i suppose

1:05:51 Kit: if the site is about variety, shouldnt the channel reflect that? it's 1/4 [or the] clips, so it doesn't say our whole channel/site is like this one. 3/4 [or the] clips are not like this one.

1:08:02 Mark: k, we leave it up long as you agree that if J** and A** get put off, you message to reassure them. if you can, all is well and no harm done. i've built up good rapport with both and last thing i want is them to think is i'm steering them towards porn

1:09:50 Kit: i'll certainly message them if you get any negative feedback from them. i don't see the video as porn. different people have dfferent views though. the bottom line is no one is steering anyone anywhere.

1:10:54 Mark: those vids are to advertise our site and the guy has a massive hard on. which vid will get the most attention?

1:11:10 Kit: so far, S****'s

1:11:34 Mark: it will be blown out of water by this mark my words

1:12:05 Kit: not necessarily. views are unpredictable

1:13:26 Mark: ok

1:15:13 Mark: gonna head to bed and hope i'm wrong.

1:15:47 Kit: looking again, its not that much bigger than some of J**'s undie shots

1:16:11 Mark: J** does not have a raging hard on

1:17:05 Kit: when we first chatted about him you said you thought he has [a] semi [hard on] in some shots, and it does look like that, or as if he emphasizes his package

1:17:47 Mark: in one pic on his own site. the black and white undies pic

1:19:13 Mark: look, i want to be proved wrong on this so fingers crossed i am

1:19:14 Kit: one thing, we have a video from 4 guys, including leanteen. we don't have one from J**.

1:19:30 Kit: im sure they will be ok about it

1:19:38 Mark: nor J***, nor J***

1:19:54 Kit: yes. the worst that could happen is they suffer male envy

1:20:35 Mark: no, the worst is we lose them. that's why i hope i'm wrong

1:21:06 Kit: i mean size envy, but i dont think they will. str8 blokes enjoy seeing a hard on, so long as you don't force them to admit it

1:21:30 Kit: if they get iffy due to this clip, i will use all my powers to talk them back

1:21:39 Mark: ok

1:22:29 Mark: have to tell them it's just to give overview and their vids are equally as valuable to us

1:22:55 Kit: in fact, if you want, i can send them preemptive messages. explain we have a policy that guys flex to reflect their personality, not our whims

1:23:18 Mark: don't message them tonight

1:23:55 Kit: d[e]ffo not tonight. & that we had an indepth discussion, & decided to allow variety, and hope no one is offended if another flexer has a different style

1:24:20 Mark: see what happens tomoz with A** vid. hope he still does it

1:24:51 Kit: he will ;)

The next time I heard from Mark, it was later that morning in an email saying he'd decided to pull out of FlexingLads. He set up his own channel (SCF) the next day (December 9).

Unfortunately, instead of focusing on building his channel, he used it - and later his SCF blog - to launch a campaign of lies about FL, myself, and others.